I have become much less interested in this subject in recent years. "There's like 295M people in this country who have a vested interest in things not going Thunderdome, I think a lot of survivalist types forget that." -Marty Roesch

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events (this is not new, they have always been wrong)

A little preperation for emergencies is good for everybody. Natural disasters, even if they're not commin in your area, economic turmoil, unforseen events. A healthy person can survive three days without water, three weeks without food. Shelter urgency varies a lot on weather. Three days. Just grab an extra gallon of water every time you're at the grocery store, okay? Maybe an occassional can of food. It's a small gamble, when it's food and water you'll consume anyway, when it could save your life. You probably already have some warm blankets.

How sure are you that we won't be seeing a global economic collapse far beyond the Great Depression? How much is industrialized civilization, transportation, electricity, food production and distribution, tied to cheap oil production? When will that end (peak oil)?

This page is about the next step: Mobility. Some people think it's important in an emergency.

Civilization fails. You're going to be on foot, carrying all of your posessions on your back, forever. What's worth carrying? What can't easily be scavanged, made, or caught? Our population is so far beyond what can be sustained by hunting and gathering, if things collapse quickly, all animals and consumable plants will go very quickly. I tend to think along the lines of The Book of Eli, and The Road.

A bunch of garbage is made to imitate military gear. The real stuff has a NSN - NATO Stock Number. Also anything made by BCB International, a major British military supplier.

Get your teeth taken care of now. A tooth ache will sap your will to survive.

"Guns, ammo, and flashlights kick ass but water is so much more important and so often overlooked." - jeffrey, Zombie Squad

"If you don't have water then you shouldn't be eating." (Digesting food uses up water, and you'll die from lack of water first.) - 111t, Zombie Squad

"There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing" - Woods Walker, Zombie Squad

Mags' bug out gear, "Best post I have seen anywhere on teh internets in forever", Zombie Squad

BOB: Bug Out Bag.
INCH bag: I'm Never Coming Home.
ECWCS: Extended Cold Weather Clothing System.
EDC: Every Day Carry.
Battonning: Hammering a knife through a log with another log. Doesn't need to be a long knife, but it helps.
Possibles bag: "[Nessmuk] basically said you should be able to make anything you need with the things in your Possibles Bag." Woodcraft and Camping by Nessmuk, 1963, read it. Kifaru on the possibles pouch.

Chat channels:
#ZombieSquad on irc.freenode.net - preperation oriented
#PeakOil on irc.efnet.net - news / issues oriented



I suppose my goal from here on is a light weight, maybe thirty pounds, INCH bag. If I need to be moving on foot, even if I'm never coming home, I don't want to be hauling an eighty pound bag.

"You only truly own what you can carry at a dead run." - Unknown, attributed to the German Landschneckts from the 14th & 15th centuries.

This is a list of some gear that might be nice to have, which deteriorates pretty bad toward the end:

Water Water purifier tablets / drops
Water bladder (goes in backpack with tube and bite valve).
MSR Hydromedary 3 Liter
MSR Dromedary 10 Liter for base camp

A NATO 2 liter canteen (with the possibility of gas mask attachment) or Nalgene bottle (apparently indestructable) are also good options.

Water filter.
(MSR HyperFlow)
Bandanna for pre-pre-filtration? (Includes a pre-filter.)
Shelter knife - Ka-Bars are bad for battonning (hammering a knife through a log with another log) due to the partial double edge, and bad for use with ferrocerium rod due to coating.
Badger ferrocerium

Ferrocerium rod AKA firesteel fire starter. Strike with the back of a knife to shower sparks. A large one will probably start more fires than any lighter (without refuling), while being smaller than a standard BIC. I hate when they put handles on these, makes them bulkier and covers otherwise usable material.

"[3/8" x 4"] is our personal favorite size." I like it too.

The same stuff is used in welding torch strikers, and in place of flint in modern lighters.

Mispronounced and misspelled "ferrosium".

poncho - military with grommets, also good tarp
54.5"x60", NSN 8405-01-100-0976 (woodland camo)
ACU is NSN 8405-01-547-2555
Probably made by Orc Industries?
NATO Modular Sleep System, NSN 8465-01-395-1154
History. Component weights.
550 (pound break strength) paracord, 50'
Therm-a-rest sleeping pad, NeoAir All Season, XTherm? They made a military version which apparently fits in the MSS bivy sack. TrailPro? Exped also makes nice sleeping pads.
Emergency blanket (aluminized polyethylene)
Cotton balls soaked in vaseline for tinder
The Windmill Classic Stormproof Lighter broke in my pocket. It had a tendency to pop open on its own, which leaves the hinge vulnerable, and it snapped. Disposable BICs just work, so they're my choice for now. Zippos are right out due to how quickly the fuel dries out, but this peanut lighter looks like a nice option. Nope, that peanut lighter was always terrible at lighting itself.

Pemmican Pemmican. Native American / trapper survival food. Ground jerky plus rendered fat. Stores for a couple years at room temperature. Sounds like the ultimate food to me. Still haven't made any.
snare wire snare wire - just regular 24 gauge soft brass wire from a hardware store, 50'
fishing gear
MREs are heavy (include water) and expensive. You can go three weeks without food.
Defense Rifle.
Close quarters (1-4x) scope if you can't hit anything with irons (Leupold CQ/T? Horus Talon $889? Nightforce 1-4 NXS $1300? EOTech requires batteries.) larue spr mount?
6 loaded mags
gas mask - M40
Medical Dermabond (2-octyl cyanoacrylate) or Super Glue (ethyl cyanoacrylate). Useful for closing wounds. Just the two most popular brands, there are several others. The Dermabond type irritates skin a little less. From what I've read I wouldn't hesitate to use Super Glue, but you wouldn't want to make a habbit of it.
Boots. A lot of people seem to like light weight boots. I think I care a lot more about durability, since my whole goal is preparing for the possibility of never being able to buy another pair. So I like full grain leather, 10" tall, gore-tex water proof all the way up (fully gusseted tongue). I'm wearing Matterhorn model 1997. Danner Fort Lewis is looking nice, need to verify the tongue.
first aid kit
Repair kit: 2 sail needles, kevlar thread (and a suture needle?), safety pins
small gps
GI Lensatic (3H?)
BCB button compass
nail clippers
Gore-Tex over-socks - haven't tried them, but seems like a better option than water proof boots because you can remove it to let the boots dry. Another option is sealskinz.
m1967 entrenching tool? $20
Large collapsable water container for bulk purifying
wire saw, NSN 5110-99-565-2549
thermal underwear shirt
thermal underwear pants
toilet paper
Load bearing vest.
pack / canteen pouch
trash bags
100mph or duct tape
gun cleaning kit
old style flint & steel
pot to boil water - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billycan
axe? Wetterlings?
Random notes:
How far up / out to hang food from bears? 10' off the ground, 4' from the trunk.
fm 21-76 - Army Survival manual www.ar15.com/content/manuals/FM21-76_SurvivalManual.pdf
parachutes are good for teepees
diy food http://theepicenter.com/tow08237.html
franconia notch
In Wilderness max group size is 10
Camp 200' from trails & water
Cholera is the main reason for water filtration? Giardiasis, Cryptosporidiosis and dysentery, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterborne_diseases
stockpile razors
Underwear: ExOfficio Give-N-Go boxer briefs, possibly Tilley boxer briefs
Hat: Tilley widely recommended for travel, indestructable
Patagonia Rain Shadow (Microburst?) Jacket
Patagonia Microburst Pants
Patagonia DAS Parka (compressess really small)
Patagonia Micro Puff Pants (compresses really small)
Neck gator? Bush scarf?
"WindPro or Windstopper Fleece is the shit! Hats, gloves, jackets, pants"
P38 can opener
Pot / cup to cook in, MSR Stowaway Pot?
Mosquito net for sleeping
Petzl Tactikka XP Headlamp
Trekking poles?
MSR Packtowel Personal Bath - high-vis orange?
Toilet paper (2x Charmin To Go?)
Aloksak - popular waterproof bags
Needles - sewing and sutures
Bug spray - Ben's 100% Deet
Pain killers
Boonie hat
PS50 watch cap
6X, Wigwam, CoolMax, Hiking Socks
6X, Wigwam 40 Below socks
Heavy duto aluminum foil - cooking, windscreen
Leki Trekking Poles, Super Makalu, Core-Tec, PA, AntiShock
Binoculars / monocular
Dr. Bronner's 8oz peppermint
Lip balm
Pepper spray
Solar battery charger for flashlights
Small pack: Kifaru E&E
Two person bivy sack. Requires separate rain shelter, WTF?
Extended Cold Weather Clothing System
Sham-wow high-vis orange camp towel
4 season shells: "For warm weather, my old Patagonia Jackalopes are better than anything I've seen so far (I say old, because the material this past 2 seasons was lined, heavier and warmer than the material in my light and breathable Jackalope pants). Unfortunately I use those pants for easy to pack, carry and wash travel pants on business and casual trips because they look so respectable and I'm reluctant to use them on the trail. I think the current Patagonia version still doesn't use the material in my pants, though I'll check them out."
For summer + winter use in NH, patagonia.com recommended Rock Guide Pants: http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-rock-guide-pants?p=56635-0-961
kept me warm all day without a base layer, down to about 10 deg. F. with a good 50 mph wind."
pants I've found for long distance cold weather backpacking. I used it for 10+ day backpacking trips in Alaska, for two seasons. Walked through a lot of typical Alaskan bushes and the pants still looked quite new. I also walked them through many a glacial stream and they're very water repellent - water just beads off the surface."
100% polyester jersey t-shirt: http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-polarized-tee?p=52111-0-950
Rail Riders ultra-light boxer briefs may have some potential:
Patagonia lightweight boxer briefs could also be nice.
I'd kind of like a hard shell jacket, this might be nice: http://www.wildthingsgear.com/blog/?p=1841#more-1841
DIY leather care? Based on Montana Pitch Blend, pine pitch, beeswax, and mink oil?
Can make candles out of pine pitch: http://factoidz.com/the-natural-pine-pitch-scented-candle/
"Ditch the toothpaste. Make some toothpowder. Baking soda, salt, and some ground clove." - http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=83015#p1838272
"3 parts baking soda (the cleanser and sweetener) with part salt (the abrasive).... If you'd like, add a few drops of peppermint or wintergreen oil..." - http://mizar5.com/toothpst.htm
"The most compact calories are going to be in either Datrex, Mainstay or SOS bars.... Datrex tastes like coconut with a hint of lemon. Mainstay is like lemon cookies, and SOS are like apple and cinnamon cookies. A 3,600 pack of any of these three brands is only $6."
Bolle T-800 Tactical Goggles
Lock pick.
Pemmican recipe recommended by ElricFate:
"Deet eats gear"
"You need some kerlix if you make a proper FAK
Just a roll will do ya :D"
- ElricFate
http://www.wanderingearl.com/how-does-a-permanent-nomad-pack/ - More for vacation packing than survival, but relevant basic concept.
For a backpack, the Kelty Redwing 50 (50 liter) is looking good.
Consider the possibility of not being able to get to my bag in my car due to garage collapse or something.
Couscous and olive oil
"...hypothermia, when your body runs out of fuel to burn."
"Another approach to portable UV water purification is solar disinfection which is called SODIS. Clear water is sterilized by putting it in a clear polyethylene (PET) bottle and leaving it in direct sunlight for 6 hours." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potability_of_backcountry_water
"Idealy I would like to Have a Yaseus VX-8R It has more functions than I would know how to handle." (radio)
"But I gave up on that radio due to too many problems with them (reviews at eham.com)"
Winter sleeping pad discussion: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=16626
Tiny wood stove: http://www.vargooutdoors.com/Titanium-Hexagon-Backpacking-Wood-Stove
New England earthquakes: https://www2.bc.edu/~kafka/Why_Quakes/why_quakes.html
"...there is about a 2% chance that in any given 50 year period of time, earthquake vibrations that are potentially damaging will strike."
SuperUltraLight http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/display_forum.html?forum=68
FAK http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=23901
Army Field Guide on Survival: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/FM21-76_SurvivalManual.pdf
(Good stuff.)
House: Fire extinguishers. Amerex 10 lb ABC (B456C (aluminum, $121) or B441C (brass, $130)). 2.5lb for car ().
Dutch oven, Lodge 6 quart 12" camp dutch oven?
"How the ram pump works" - water pump powered by water flowing downhill into it
"Where do I start?" http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79725
Raptor's Katrina report: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16627
Safepacker holster may be a good option with backpack:
Nice custom chest holster: http://static.zoovy.com/img/gunnersalley/W200-H200-Bffffff/V/chest_holster
Pre-made soda can alcohol stove: http://www.pastprimitive.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=66
Woodsman knife description:
Historical weather
Lifeboat ration comparison thread: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=54601
Lensatic compass: http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/astro/lensatic.htm
Cammenga Lensatic Compass Model 3H, NSN 6605-01-196-6971
"CAMMENGA is the exclusive manufacturer of the official U.S. Military Lensatic Compass"
"CAMMENGA has been the government's exclusive manufacturer since September, 1992"
Lightweight Backpacking 101
Classic hardtack recipes: http://kenanderson.net/hardtack/recipes.html
Volunteer EMT-basic?
Red Cross volunteering: http://www.nhredcross.org/general_calltoaction.asp?CTA=5&SN=12246&OP=12311&IDCapitulo=9635HCHPI3
http://stores.thepathfinderschoolllc.com/-strse-Self-Reliance-Kit/Categories.bok size 13 sail needle, nickle plated
Books on how to rebuild could be nice.
Get to know neighbors.
Boy Scout Handbook?
Solar still for collecting water: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_still
I wish the Beretta 92 was available in single-action. CZ75B may be a good option.
"The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time,[3] having been used by the armed forces of over 50 countries."
Summer sausage? - http://blackwoodspress.com/blog/9134/recipe-mac-n-cheese/
Shemagh, traditional versatile desert headwear, a ~44" cotton square.
I admit my interest started with trying to figure out the significance of the cloth Eli traded for water in The Book of Eli, but they're apparently common NATO issue in the desert.
Buff, in Merino wool. Another piece of versatile headwear.
QuikClot Combat Gauze
Giardia: "The US Food and Drug Administration, observing that giardiasis is more prevalent in children than adults, suggests that many individuals seem to have a lasting immunity after infection. [35] Furthermore, citizens of cities and countries where the parasite is numerous clearly seem to have few if any problems with their own water, which also points to an acquired immunity. So there is a possible bright side to contracting the disease." "Proper personal hygiene is far more important in avoiding giardiasis than treating the water." - http://www.ultrunr.com/giardia.html "Roland Mueser interviewed thru-hikers who spent months walking the entire 2,150-mile-long trail. He asked about their water treatment strategies and illnesses, and found no difference in the rate of illness between those who treated or filtered the water, those who sometimes did and those who didn't filter or use disinfectants." "The hands of those who didn't wash were soon covered with E. coli bacteria. Those who used soap and water had some E. coli, and those who used alcohol gels had the cleanest hands." - http://www.bwca.cc/tripplanning/waterfiltration.htm http://www.onebag.com/ - packing light for tourists http://www.armyproperty.com/Resources/NSN-Listings/IFAK.htm Ultra-light backpacker FAK: http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?8256-a-good-first-aid-kit "...and by the third day most were snowblind." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party ESS goggles (profile NVG? land ops?) and something like the Wiley X SG-1 are what the military uses. Ramius's opinion on BOB contents: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=47978&p=994423#p994965 UV killer to remove brighteners added by most laundry detergent, to reduce visibility to animals and night vision gear http://www.atsko.com/products/uv-protection/u-v-killer.html http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=37287 http://www.lifeunplugged.net/everythingelse/make-lye-from-wood-ash.aspx http://www.colebrothers.com/soap/ http://www.thedishforum.com/forum/index.php?act=idx http://www.millersoap.com/ CERT Field Operating Guide http://fire.ucsc.edu/sites/fire.ucsc.edu/files/CERT%20FOG.pdf Tourniquets: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59861 The SOFTT-W is an improved version of the SOFT-T, sounds like the best option. Irrigating wounds with syringe + water iodine pad has been dispersed in: "BTW the water to mix with the pad can be tap water, hell I would use water from a fast moving stream!" - http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=83607 "None are used for a deep wound. They cause tissue damage and slow healing. You use sterile water or a solution made by adding an ounce of povidone-iodine to a liter of the cleanest fresh water you can find." - http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=78183 When price is a consideration, Ka-Bars (model 1211, for example), are popular. When money is less of an issue, ESEE knives are popular. 1 litre Platypus collapsible bottle on paracord: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=62610&p=p=1331862#p1331194 October Mountain Blue Ridge Hunter Take-Down Recurve Bow, 60 pound pull PSE Kingfisher Recurve 3D archery "My hunting rig this fall will be a 60# longbow, though as the weather gets cooler, I drop back down into the low 50's (pulling and holding 60# with no letoff and holding it on an animal when it's 15degs out = stiff shoulders for a week)." - http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46025 How do you make glue? Wool blanket shirt: http://www.backpacker.com/gear-zone-gear-review-empire-canvas-works-wool-blanket-shirt-/gear/15661
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